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What do we learn about God from God’s creation?

So in review of God desire, and God's plan, God’s design, God’s way, for 100% all creation is:

 All 100% creation including humans, be 100% open public nudist. all no acceptation.

All 100% creation including humans, be 100% open  public sex with no man made shame or guilt

All 100% creation including humans, be 100% have unlimited sex partners over a life time.

All 100% creation including humans, be 100% have no marriage on earth or in heaven for all creation.

All 100% creation including humans,  have   incest to populate the earth.

Most important First couple is the “Ultimate Incest Couple” is Adam and Eve hand made by God.

Gen 1:31 NLT Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was excellent in every way.                                Gen 1:31 CEB God saw everything he had made: it was supremely good.                                         Gen 1:31 GNT God looked at everything he had made, and he was very pleased.                          Gen 1:31 MSG God looked over everything he had made; it was so good, so very good!


Incestboard Forum talk about incest in the Bible

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Hi,i got a question about incest. If incest is so frowned upon how come do so many people accept the bible?

I know of many varieties but isn't adam and eve brother and sister then their kids and other kids had sex to have more children etc...

So aren't we all somewhat family? Then how about Noah's ark? Only a few humans, so after a while brother and sister must have been going at it ...

all the animals offspring's in the boat also

...and all this is accepted!

But if i have interests in my sis and her in me, this is not accepted by those beleivers so we can't be together, well publicly anyway...

I am not religious but know many that go to church.In my family tree incest has only happened twice in 340 years name changing was also frequent so maybe more then twice...

lasts 4 generations incest has not happened.Exept for great grand uncle.

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Guyyre

Member posted July 03, 2002 10:03 PM

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If you believe in God, and the Bible there is explanation #1.

If you beleive in God, and the Bible, and Science, there is explanation #2.

If you don't, believe in God or the Bible, and believe in Science, there is explanation #3.

 

#1. Don't question God. Job had all his wealth, and family destroyed, and did not question God, and God saw fit to put the story of Job in the bible as a warning to questioning people like you !

#2. The longer we exist as a race, the longer our collective genetic material is exposed to cosmic rays and other effects that damage them. Since Adam and Eve were perfect, there was no damage to their chromosomes. It is not clear that Eve is Adam's Brother, however Cain and Abel must have been fucking their sisters, with God's Blessing. Likely, children of this incest were not in danger of being defective.

After the Flood, the "Firmament" a watery matter that surrounded the Earth collapsed into the flood waters. Theoretically, this canopy of H2O could have shielded out Cosmic Rays, and prevented Sunburn, and Genetic Damage for Promiscuous Pre-Flood Peoples.

After the Flood, however, genetic damage accumulates, and it becomes clear to Jewish Law-Givers that bangin the daughter, one generation after another, leads to defects - so they do the typical Mosaic Legislation: Forbid Family Fun altogether. See Leviticus.

#3. If you just believe in Science, our genes have been damaged from the beginning. Damage is how defects are created that sometimes were useful. It why we do not have gills today. Incest does not create a lot more defects in the first generation it is practiced, however, things snowball if children of Incest have their own children incestuously, and on and on. Three or four generations down the line, serious problems become more frequent.

An exception is that some Royal Families were established that were able to mate with a high frequency of Incest, and not manifest defects. While this is useful, it is also unlikely that any two people can mate, and have their offspring mate for generations without turning out like European Royalty, a number of whom had serious defects.

Getting back to the Hebrews in the desert....when the Levites made up The Bible from all those Sumerian Myths, and the history of Abraham's Tribe, they added the incest prohibition, along with forbidding other things like eating shellfish (domozoic acid poisening-damages short term memory) and pork (trichinosis damages muscles) and kindness toward their neighbors (born of incest between Lot and his Daughters).

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That should confuse the issue !

Guyre

 

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Butter1

Junior Member posted July 03, 2002 11:19 PM

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I've been reading this forum for a long time now and have enjoyed all I have read, but this one takes the cake. Please don't take this as a put down because it isn't but it will sound like it is.

Please don't ask the question if you don't have the facts right. Eve was Adams wife (#1) and (#2) The young people on the Ark were married - Noahs son's were married and without looking I think he had a daughter.

So that question has no case.

As for Job - the lesson there shows what happens when you stick to your guns, in that case, Job loved God no matter what Satan brought his way.

Let's get back to what you really know about - incest.

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chazzz

Junior Member posted July 04, 2002 12:08 AM

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For those of you who believein God, (myself included); doesn't God love all his children regardless of what they do, isn't this why we were given free choice? Do you really think God cares who you sleep with provided that it was done as an act of love and not force? Clearly laws against incest come from man, not God. And for those of you who do not beleive in God, all I can say is that an act of force is not an act of love.

As for the argument that incest as a family history invaribly results in birth defects, how is this relevevant with the ability of birth control today? Shouldn't the incest laws today only apply if you have children?

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b4rry

Member posted July 04, 2002 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by chazzz:

For those of you who believein God, (myself included); doesn't God love all his children regardless of what they do, isn't this why we were given free choice? Do you really think God cares who you sleep with provided that it was done as an act of love and not force? Clearly laws against incest come from man, not God. And for those of you who do not beleive in God, all I can say is that an act of force is not an act of love.

As for the argument that incest as a family history invaribly results in birth defects, how is this relevevant with the ability of birth control today? Shouldn't the incest laws today only apply if you have children?

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Give this some thought:

Laws concerning the age and/or relationship of sexual partners (most frequently of the female) are alot simpler to prosecute than laws regarding one person manipulating, coercing or forcing another into sexual activity since age and/or relationship status are absolute facts.

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Guyyre

Member posted July 04, 2002 12:43 PM

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Talk about Incest, and not the Bible ? I find the Bible is very important to attitudes and laws about Incest. I do agree that we should get our bible facts straight though. Discussing the bible as an article of faith, or as anthropological record, as it applies to Incest, is good clean fun.

Did you know that one of King David's Sons incested one of his daughters? Ended badly. He manipulated her, she died, he died. So it goes.

In responding to the original questioner:

I like your question and decided to answer the spirit, and not the letter of your question.

While I don't believe in it, the Bible is a great read, if you have the time. So much of western culture is woven through, and from it. I would feel illiterate in Western Civilization without some knowledge of it.

As for Adam and Eve being brother and sister.

The bible says Eve was made from Adam's Rib, and given to him as a wife.

Some may reason that she was made of the same genetic material, and could be his genetic Twin. Could be, and might not be. It would be up to the creator to decide how much genetic similarity to perserve. There is no information I know of to say Eve was or wasn't genetically Adam's Twin, Daughter, or even just Unrelated.

What is true, is the children of Adam and Eve took wives and had nowhere to go but "In the Family." ...unless scripture has gone missing...perhaps there is a Talmud scholar out there ? Talmud is rich in commentary on subjects like this!

Oh, and Job DID get his wealth and Family back, after demonstrating his humility, that the ways of the creator are beyond man, and he is not fit to guide even his own step, let alone challenge the ways of God. So, If Job put up with all that loss, and boils on his body, a believer can follow God's laws, no matter how perverse, or for incest aficionados - uptight, they may seem at any one time. Does that make sense ?

The sacrifice example of Job is very like the sacrifice example of Jesus, for those interested in comparative reading of the bible. Have at it !

And the Bible has some of the naughtiest passages, for diligent and imaginative voyeurs, like me.

Guyre

 

 

 

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Butter1

Junior Member posted July 04, 2002 01:29 PM

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I haven't read all your post yet but I didn't say don't talk about the bible. What I said was talk about what in known for sure and not guess. If you want to talk bible I will talk all day long, I love the bible and what it teaches. I was refering to the very first post by that young man. It was obvious to me he hadn't read the bible or hadn't remembered what was written in it. Now I will read all your post.

Guyyre - that was very good. I disagree with some of what you said there but very good still. This isn't for you Guyyre but for people in general - the bible has great lessons in it and because you read something that took place in the bible doesn't make it ok to do. In fact the lessons are there so we won't do them. Just thought I would put that out there to give some something to think about. How did we get on the subject anyway? :-)

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Butter1

Junior Member posted July 04, 2002 01:36 PM

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Chazzz - no that isn't why He give us free will and yes He does care who you sleep with. Just answering your question. Hey everyone, have a great 4th, I'm out of here...time to eat and get fat.

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Soth

Junior Member posted July 04, 2002 10:11 PM

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A lot of things that are frowned upon are ok to do by the bible. Personally, I think the bible was just stories written by random people, experiences they may or may not have had at one point in their lives(old testament). I dunno whats up with the new testament, I think some guy came up with the idea of putting the stories together and using it as a way to control the masses. Anyway, thats just my theory = P

Just remember that however the bible came to be, it was written(or created) thousands of years ago, and we(the majority) dont do a lot of things now that were considered acceptable then. Think of it like the constitution of the united states. It continually changes(amendments are made) to reflect a more advanced & ethical society.

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chazzz

Junior Member posted July 05, 2002 02:12 AM

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In reply to both Butter1 and Soth, let me say this, to Butter1, When I refer to God, I was not necessarily referring to the God as thought of in the Bible...you know the wise all-knowing guy in the beard and white robes, a dead ringer for Charlton Heston in a 1950s B rated epic. I refer to the ultimate creator who is worshipped by almost all soceities in the world but under many names. I really don't think this God cares who you have sex with any more than it cares who any species mate with. And as to free will, my question to you would be "why was it given to us, if not to use it...even if it meant that we made bad choices with it? Also to refer to God as "He" I think is a bit egocentric. For hundreds of years we (western society...read male western society) thought that the sun revolved around us and that the earth (flat) was the center of the universe/creation. Well, Copernicus and others proved that to be false. We still beleive however, in my estimation, that God has created Man as the center and that the Creation revolves around us. Which is amazing considering what we have done with this creation (pollution,wars etc.) Personally I don't think of God as either Male or Female, but as a sum of all the Creation itself. So for lack of a better name I refer to God as "It". To Soth; I agree with you that the Bible is a fascinating read and I am not a Bible scholar but wouldn't you agree that the Bible was written by many people and even their original words have been handed down to us after being filtered and changed by the politics and beliefs of countless transcribers ( the Guttenburg press was only invented sometime around 1490 ) so that we do not know if what we read in the Bible today was even what the original writers had intended? One more thing, when we look back at soceities of the past, it is easy for us to see how little they knew of the real world and how superstious they were. They use to bleed people to make them well. They use to burn women as witches if they were a little different from the "norm" only 300 years ago. Black men would get hanged for looking too long at a white woman only a hundred years ago. Do we really want to take our moral codes from them? And 2000 years from now, if we survive as the Human Race, won't the people who live now seem just as backward and superstious to those who live in the future. I think it is arrogant to believe otherwise. I don't mean to be offensive to anyone, I think faith is a great thing regardless of what your religion, but I do think you have to come to the conclusion that the Creator who made us, made all of us. God did not make us in "His" image but more likely we have made "Him" in ours. Again, I assert that laws against incest are from Man, not God.

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b4rry

Member posted July 05, 2002 07:50 AM

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When I moved to the American South I noticed there's many folks down here that are extremely good at quoting the Bible but seemingly pretty bad about knowing or living its spirit. I tagged these folks "Bible-thumping heathens."

Religious manuscript discussions of any sort can so easily become hot debates -- that just seems to be the way we humans treat the subject -- so I try to stay out of it.

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The world has more than just the three great religions of the Bible, yet this thread seems to only assume Christianity (and perhaps Judaism). I'd like to hear of the teachings and traditions contained in any of the world's other great religions.

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Guyyre

Member posted July 05, 2002 01:01 PM

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Pagan Law vs. Judgemental Law

I see Paganism as a Great Religion that has been persecuted into obscurity.

Paganism - Earth Religions of the Celts and other European tribes.

Pagan's Law: "And it harm no one, do what you will"

 

Pretty simple, works for me. However in this nation we have created a structure of laws where acts that don't (always) do harm are always illegal, even criminal.

Worse still, the expectation that a harmless act will be prosecuted/persecuted as a crime MAKES it a harmful act.

So by the Pagan Doctrine, many of our laws are themselves introduce harm into harmless relationships.

It was said elsewhere on this board, it is easier to identify crimes by the age differences of the participants in sex, and hard to identify the intent and capacity of the participants.

So the crime is measured by the difference in age. In order to measure crime without being connected to the hearts of the suspected, the subtle, and sublime, and those capable of it, are made criminal.

This applies as often to statutory rape, as it does to incest.

Don't get me wrong, much or most statutory rape and incest may be harmful.

Guyre

 

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