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From: goomba357Nov-15 5:44 AM 
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 2473.1 

I am studying at a major Christian university and have been plagued with guilt for years.  However, after reading liberated Christianity teachings I am no longer plagued.  This theology makes so much sense!  I wish it would become mainstream as I'd love to share this info with some but I know I'd be shunned.

I'm a 31 year old married man living in the Southern United States.

  • Edited November 15, 2014 5:45 am  by  goomba357
 
 
From: wkonwtrtomNov-16 8:02 PM 
To: goomba357  (2 of 10) 
 2473.2 in reply to 2473.1 

goomba,

If I may ask, what brought you to this forum? What got you looking into Christian sexual liberation?

Tom

 
 
From: goomba357Nov-16 10:02 PM 
To: All  (3 of 10) 
 2473.3 in reply to 2473.2 

I am an adult student at a major Evangelical University.  I also have a full time job and wife.  I have “struggled” with sexual desire as long as I can remember.  While doing study on this topic I came across an article on polygamy and after chasing the rabbit down the rabbit hole I found the liberated Christian website.  Well I thought this was balderdash there is no way the church could be so wrong on this issue.  Well I looked into the passages and context the authors of liberated thoughts had used.  To my surprise they were not twisting anything.  I prayed on this topic and continued to go over what I learned, to a slight detriment to my studies.  I finally accepted the truth that was revealed to me. 

 

The churches teaching on sexuality had caused me many times to question my salvation and the wisdom of Christ.  Now with this new knowledge my faith has become stronger.  The downside is I know I can’t share this information with most Christians as they are not ready for it.  My wife was very disappointed when we talked about this topic.  So I will be a liberated Christian who remains in a monogamous marriage, I’m not complaining. 

The label of liberated associated with this understanding is truly how I feel now.  I am not shamed anymore.  I now understand God is all love!  The odd thing I see is this is not about sex (people will have sex even at the risk of death).  It is an issue about freedom and love.  Even if one never exercises the freedom it is there and that is liberating to me.

 

 

 
 
From: dayhikerNov-21 12:12 PM 
To: goomba357  (4 of 10) 
 2473.4 in reply to 2473.3 

Hi goomba,

    Welcome.

    I can relate so much to what you are saying. Unfortunately, I didn't get it all figured out till I was divorced. I love that your going to love your wife with this liberated mind you now have. I know you will love her more than ever with that last foot hold of Satan destroyed.

 
 
From: wkonwtrtomNov-21 7:57 PM 
To: goomba357  (5 of 10) 
 2473.5 in reply to 2473.3 

It never ceases to amaze me that when someone decides to look into the scriptures for themselves and not follow blindly what they hear, they are able to come to a conclusion that means more freedom from the chains of the Law and sin. If you hade just been walking down the street and heard someone preaching the message of sexual liberation through Christ, it is likely that you would have discounted them as some kind of sexual deviant. I know I would have before I did my own research.

Unfortunately, most of those that you know at school, work, and even at home will not react well if you "come out" to them openly about your new found understanding. Continue to read about the subject and to search for places to be able to talk with others about it that already understand. Live it out as Matt 10:16 says - Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

God bless you brother,

Tom

 
 
From: inkaboutithomestead.com (Inkaboutit)Nov-29 12:49 AM 
To: goomba357  (6 of 10) 
 2473.6 in reply to 2473.1 

Hello goomba357,

From inkaboutit4u.com  Thanks for the great post, I also feel like yourself. My wife also reject it, she does not even want to listen, or read it, totally  closed minded, Why? Low sex drive people vs high sex drive people . This is why. (see below)

  I have been a Christian with strong faith in God my most my whole life , always in church and save at 10 years old and completed Bible College . Guilt over any sexual enjoyment or even seeing some porn or masturbation.

I feel there is big different between people getting saved before puberty and after pubertywhen your sex drive become even stronger. I think many people think they are very bad sinners and very guilty  because they have a sex drive, or normal sexual desires so they get saved. But they still have the sex drive so now they may not think they are saved. So they connect their salvation with anti-sex. Wrong Salvation become Jesus plus anti-sex, starting  a anti-sex cult.

 But many years later I went on a Christian Forum and they had subject masturbation, and I found they had a  major condemnation of  masturbation. I thought they were way out of line and wrong. So at that point I research everything I could on masturbation and fought back at these very condemning people.

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Masturbation_50_Advantages_of_Masturbation

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Masturbation_NOT_a_sin_but_a_Gift_From_God

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Index_Masturbation_Pages

 

The more I researched the more I discovery that the Church was  wrong  about 100% sexual teachings, because long time ago  they take some misunderstood verses in the NT out of context and assume “sex is bad” and then go look for everything that backs up “sex is bad” thinking ,  without studying proper context and its context to the whole Bible,  this become a "tradition of men" false teachings passed down for generations with out people questioning it to true or not.  If they question it , they are kicked out church. the internet help expose lies and get the truth out to those willing to read it.

This made them a major “anti-sex” cult. There real plan of salvation changes to Jesus PLUS anti-sex. This is why they say if you are a Christian Swinger you are not saved and going to hell. Gal 5: 19-21 (see below)

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiStCudKILs

 When someone  says that,  then they  added to Jesus alone plan of salvation to Jesus plus anti-swinging or anti-single sex .  All because they have the wrong definition for fornication.  They wrongly define fornication as “single sex” they define it as sex outside  the “one male, one female” marriage. They get that from wrong conclusion of  1 Cor 7: 1-2

1 Cor 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.2 Nevertheless , to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Thinking that fornication is single sex because ,  to avoid fornication you need to get married, meaning that single only commit fornication and to solve that they need to get married to one man, one female marriage.

 Totally wrong conclusion.

Totally  misunderstood. 

Creating a wrong plan of salvation.

Wrong understanding of  1 Cor 7:1-2  . Remember we are missing the letters that the Churches wrote to Paul explaining all the details. It like having ½ the conversation, missing many details, we have to guess,  may come up with wrong conclusions like they have done.

Wrong definition of the word fornication.  Not single sex , but pagan fertility god worship in hope of getting good farm crops. 1 Cor 10:8 to Nu 25: 1-9  Nu 31 Same thing done in both places. Paul defines the word fornication or sexual immoral as pagan fertility god worship. Pagan fertility god worshiper do not go to heaven.

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Bible_Nu_251-9_Define_Fornication

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Fornication_Correctly_Defined_with_all_Bible_Verses

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Fornication_Does_NOT_have_10_different_meaning_like_they_want_to_tell_you.

Fornication , It is the joining in with the worship of the pagan fertility god sex orgy to worship the fertility god. Compare 1 Cor 10:8 to Nu 25:1-9 Nu 31 then they say fornication or single sex are not saved because of Gal 5:19 fornicators or = to “sex outside one male, one female marriage  are not going to heaven.Wrong conclusion, wrong definition.

So if you have  a normal healthy sex drive you go to hell. 100% wrong. God made sex and gave 100% creation sexual freedom at creation. God said sex is good Gen 1:31

  David, Solomon and most every one in the Bible understands they have sexual freedom from God to have unlimited sex partners.  2 Sam 12: 8 , SOS 6:8 all the polygamy in the Bible, God promote polygamy Nu 31 gave 16,000 girls to 12,000 soldiers. (Remember this is only one battle) Many other examples.

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Polygamy_God_is_Very_Pro_Polygamy

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Index_Polygamy_Marriage

Many Godly men in the Bible had sex outside the “one male, one female” marriage was no problem to God at all.

 

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness,lasciviousness, 

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions,heresies, 

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before , as I have also told you in time past , that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 

They totally misunderstand Gal 5:19-21 Don’t focus on individual words or items because they can be misunderstood and have wrong man made definitions and taken out of context, but look at it as  Paul is describing a religion group of pagan fertility god worshipers worshiping the fertility pagan god or they are standing on the opposite street corner. (this is the context) This would be part of the Church's letters to Paul that we do not have, we have to guess.

Think of a group of people doing these group of items regularly,  weekly,  if not daily.  a similar list 4 other times in the Bible,(1 Cor 6:9, Eph 5:3-6, Col 3:5-6, Rev 22:14-15)  but they are not the same list they different but the same ideal, a group of item, describing a group of pagans worshiper worshiping a fertility god or other Baal pagan gods.This was the major religion group of the whole Bible times. They were out numbered and surrounded by them both in the OT and NT , the whole Bible times..1 Cor 10:8, Nu 25: 1-9, Nu 31 This is the correct context to understand these verses.

 

  As I debate on Chrisitan Forum after 10 - 40  page Bible sexual debate they would call me names and then delete the whole debate.  So I created my web sites  inkaboutit4u.com and put everything online for others to see and for help when I debate them online I have a url address to go to. 

In the debate I answer 100% of their statements and accusations and misunderstanding s and explain ever Bible verse they take out of context, but even after all that , they reject it and have NO comeback because it make so much sense and was in harmony with the Bible and God design human nature they had no more comeback in the debate, they lost 100% so they would just delete it all.

  Lies can’t stand up to truth. Truth defeat lies, but many people still chose the lie over truth. Many will not even read it, they want what they believe no matter what. (low sex drive vs high sex drive people)

Also most people don’t understand the different between high sex drive person and a lower sex drive person. Many times opposite sex drive people marry. So in many marriages there is a high sex drive person and a low sex drive person. The sexual battle in religion and society is mainly low sex drive vs high sex drive people.

Even if there were no Bible and no religion at all. Low sex drive people would make a lot of sex rules  to try hard to control the high sex drive people from enjoying their sexuality. Low sex drive people or anti-sex people use religion to push their anti-sex agenda. They will do anything to keep the anti-sex religion misunderstandings in place at all cost. NOTHING to do with truth, it is low sex drive  (and anyone they can brainwash to think like them, including many high sex drive people) vs high sex drive people that have not been brainwashed to think like a low sex drive religion person.

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=E_and_P_Relationships_30_yr_Subconscious_research_project

  • Edited November 29, 2014 1:02 am  by  inkaboutithomestead.com (Inkaboutit)
 
 
From: JohnRichardNov-29 7:20 PM 
To: goomba357  (7 of 10) 
 2473.7 in reply to 2473.1 

Yes that was me 7 years ago. It becomes more certain as time goes by and you research more. I wish you the best and yes the other christians will get freaked out. I was asked to step down from leading a bible study at the time. However no one ever gave me a good refutation to the liberated christian theology.

 
 
From: goomba357Dec-9 5:54 PM 
To: All  (8 of 10) 
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This leap has brought my Christianity to the match with what my body and mind have been saying for years.  Sex to some might seem like an odd topic to do this but the non-sexual love in my life has also went through the roof!  It's amazing how freedom can amply every single aspect of life!!!!  I am the happiest I have been in years.  The odd thing is nothing has change other than things in my mind.  The term liberated is perfect for what this does for the Christian.  Sadly I know most others will not understand nor can they accept it.  Especially here in the deep south.

 
 
From: JohnRichardDec-10 5:57 AM 
To: goomba357 unread  (9 of 10) 
 2473.9 in reply to 2473.8 

Yes it does feel good to be free. I remember that in most of the mens study groups the struggles were almost always sexual desire issues. Once it becomes a non issue you can really focus on important things like "do unto others" etc.

 
 
From: dayhikerDec-11 2:43 AM 
To: goomba357 unread  (10 of 10) 
 2473.10 in reply to 2473.8 

goomba ... I experinced the same thing you did when I found freedom in Christ.   Like you say others wouldn't accept it. Even tho I've told them the true meaning of the words.

Thanks for stopping by to share how its working for you as well.

 
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