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Masturbation is a gift of God. Sex is a gift of God to us. Sexual lust is not evil lust, it is God designed human nature. Evil lust is hurtful and harmful to humans. Masturbation is healthy. Masturbation is good. Masturbation is God designed. Masturbation is good for you. Masturbation is for everyone to enjoy.

JTCL said:2) Masturbation is idolotry and violates the first commandment.

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Masturbation is no more idolatry then eating food, or meeting any other basic need in life. Others try to tell us that we worship a tree because we have a Christmas tree in the house. This is the Same faulty reasoning.

JTCL said:3) Masturbation in the long run increases lust in my opinion rather than relieves

it as you believe.

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If all you can think of is sexuality and then you masturbate your mind is clear and the stress removed. Just like if you have to go to the bathroom to urinate, but you resist, all you can think about is that you need to urinate. Then once you give in and meet that basic need to urinate, then your mind is clear and you can refocus on what you were doing. Masturbation only take a few minute, otherwise you thinking about sex can take hour of distraction. The longer you resist, the long you waste time thinking about sexual things, when you could be more concentrating on what you should be doing. I have learned over many years that the sooner I masturbate, the sooner my mind is cleared up and I can concentrate on the job I'm doing.

JTCL said:4) Masturbation almost always leads to fantasies. Sow a fantasy.. reap an act.

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All these web site talk about fantasies. Also remember you have many fantasies that you don't think are sinful. Just because you have faulty programming of the past does not mean what you think is always 100% Correct

JTCL said:5) God will help you with sexual frustration if you ask him. Also God will forgive

when you fall.

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God did help. He gave us masturbation to help. Just like God meet our other basic needs.

JTCL said:6) I can not believe ministers that support masturbation. It is merely their own

interpretation of scripture and it ignores 2,000 years of Church tradition.

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You have not researched the history of masturbation and the church and Medical doctors. All the lies have been exposed. Check it out for yourself. Do you with eat fish on Friday. The Catholic Church did that for years. That was past down from the past. If the people of the past had faulty information then they would be pasting down faulty conclusions.

The Pleasure Bashers http://www.proaxis.com/~solo/pleasbsh.htm

Masturbation and the Bible. Masturbation for Good Health article which also goes into the history of the false traditional Christian teachings that have no biblical basis at: How masturbation got its bad rap. , Liberated Christians

http://www.libchrist.com/sexed/masturbation.html

A personal story about how MASTURBATION gave my life back to me. Also the theological Argument Against MASTURBATION.

Answered http://www.proaxis.com/~solo/mst1.htm

I have seen this subject discussed in other Christian forums, and wanted to add something I thought was worth thinking about: Masturbation is having sex with yourself, and is like homosexual sex..

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This person is way off base. Masturbation in this context is the massaging of your own gentiles, in private, not with other people

a sin, because it is idolatry - indulging self for no other purpose than self-gratification.

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This person forgets that almost everything they do everyday is for self gratification. Did they eat food today? Did they go to the toilet? Did they go to the store to buy something for them self? Did they take a shower? Hundreds of things everyday. Masturbation is meeting a basic need, just like meeting any other basic needs.

This is a study from the New Life ministry web site.

1.      One of the main purposes of sex (male & female) is for companionship. (Specific = in a marriage relationship (Genesis 2:18). Masturbation does not promote companionship.

 

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This has nothing to do with masturbation. Going to the toilet does not promote companionship either. Eating food by yourself does not either. So is that a sin? This is meaningless and Faulty reasoning.

2.      One primarily purpose for intimate sexual relations is multiplication (or reproduction (Genesis 1:28). Masturbation prohibits procreation.

 

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So what. Not getting married, also prohibits procreation. So was Paul sinning by not being married? Did you get married at puberty so you could get an early start? I masturbate 35 years and have 3 children. As do the other 90% of the population. This is just more faulty reasoning without thinking.

3. God made men and women with family role responsibilities (male and female). The husband was to be head of the home and care for the wife (Ephesians 5:23-26). (I Corinthians11:3). Masturbation says, "I am my own head."

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Again, nothing to do with masturbation. I'm married and have all the sex with my wife that she can handle and masturbation does the rest . This is just more faulty reasoning without thinking. He forgot to quota Eph 5:28, 29 love your own wife AS YOU LOVE YOUR OWN BODY: HE WHO LOVES HIS WIFE LOVES HIMSELF. 29 FOR NO ONE EVER HATED HIS OWN FLESH, BUT NOURISHES AND CHERISHES IT, ... If you don't know how to love your own body, how will you know how to love your wife's body? Love her body as you love your body. Masturbation is solo sex with your own hand. Husband and wife sex is, "look mom no hands" hands free sex. Hand free sex is more fun to me. Tell my wife not me.

4. Another purpose of sex (male & female) is to create an unique family unit (husband and wife). "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh" (Genesis 2:24). Masturbation is self-centered.

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I masturbate 35 years and have 3 children. As do the other 90% of the population. This is just more faulty reasoning without thinking

5. An important purpose of intimate sexual relations is to give pleasure to the spouse (to bring gratification to the other). ...Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency" (I Corinthians 7:1-5). Masturbation brings self gratification.

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He forgot to mention that they got married at puberty (12-14 years old) and Paul is warning against sexual starvation , which the church is promoting or "Satan tempt you not for your incontinence" which support masturbation so Satan can't get a foothold. To masturbation and not meet your wife's needs is selfish and stupid. Love your wife is loving yourself. "Look mom no hands." Intercourse is masturbation without hands for both man and women. When your wife is missing then you have to make do with your hand or something else. Masturbation teaches you to be a better lover to your wife. People who are hung up with masturbation make poor lovers.

6. Masturbation does not promote the one flesh relationship between a husband and wife.

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Did Paul have one flesh relationship? Was he sinning? Intercourse is masturbation without hands for both man and women. When your wife is missing then you have to make do with your hand or something else. Masturbation teaches you to be a better lover to your wife. People who are hung up with masturbation make poor lovers.

7. Sexual desires for the opposite sex are natural. (Romans 1:26). Often masturbation and homosexuality or sodomy are linked.

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A lot of things are connected with homosexuality. They drive cars. Do you? They drink water. Do you? They do a lot of things that you do , so you may be gay also. I'm the farthest you can get from being a gay. I love women. More faulty reasoning without thinking. Guilt free and sin free Masturbation protects a Godly person from becoming gay. The church pushes people in the gay life style by take away the way of escape, masturbation. Because they pile on the masturbation guilt on them, so if they have to live with the same guilt as if doing the act , why not just do the act, its more fun. But when masturbation is fun and meets the need and is guilt less, why take the chance and get AIDS.

8. Any intimate sexual relations outside of marriage is a sin against oneself (self-destructive). "Flee fornication.

Masturbation seems to fit here.

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N/A. masturbation is not fornication. . More faulty reasoning without thinking.

9. We are to flee youthful lust (II Timothy 2:22). Masturbation is often tied to youthful lusts.

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Masturbation is for a life time starting at puberty and ending when you die. Just like all the other basic need we have daily that started at birth.

10. We are not to have control over our own body in marriage. Masturbation is having power over one's own body.

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This is incorrect thinking, to say something like that. Don't turn your brain off when you read the Bible. You missed the whole point of the verse. Does that mean that i can't get an erection without my wife? Did i lose that? Or does it mean when my wife want to have sex and put on hot pants and other sexy cloths, comes over and starts masturbation me with her hand or with something else, that this will cause an erection? Or if I want sex, I go to my wife and start masturbation her and kissing her and do things to turn her on and she enjoys it and gets turned on. Use your brain and think.

1. Most always people use pornography, a fetish (something pertaining to the opposite sex = example: underclothing), or mental imagery as an aid in masturbation. Yet, lusting with the eyes is committing adultery (Matthew 5:28). Also, we are to cast down vain imaginations and bring every thought captive to the obedience of Christ (II Corinthians 10:5). It is not uncommon that when a fetish is used in masturbation, that it may be required in marriage.

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These things are not required to masturbate. Not needed. Tells the Christian man who is concern about lust free masturbation.

Most people take Matt. 5:28 out of context. Many misunderstand the setting of the sermon on the mount. Many turn there brain off and don't think. Talks about Matt 5:28

2. Sexual stimulation through masturbation before or during marriage may produce less gratification in the marriage relationship.

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Not true. The opposite is true. The wrong attitude about masturbation hurts marriage.

3. Sexual stimulation through masturbation may easily lead one to seek sexual gratification outside the marriage relation.

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Not true. The opposite is true. The wrong attitude about masturbation and sexual starvation greatly increases the temptation for people to go outside marriage to get their sexual needs meant.

4. If stimulation (masturbation) is someone's goal, why not have someone of the same sex stimulate you? Of course, the same sex stimulation is considered to be homosexuality! (Romans 1:26-27)

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These things are not required to masturbate. Not needed. To made masturbation a sin you have to add things to it. Is that what you mean.

5. Masturbation often becomes a substitute addiction replacing the natural sexual relations in marriage.

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Masturbation is not the problem, there are other problems. I always would rather have sex with my wife.

CW

Sure would be a compromising position to be in when judgment day

comes..."Oh, sorry Lord, had I known you were coming I would have been

cleaning "my house" instead of doing this"...

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You assume masturbation is a sin. Wrong assumption cause faulty conclusions.

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